Help! Peterborough exterior stems

walt

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I am looking to replicate these exterior stems but am not sure of the wood species. All 3 Peterboroughs I own have these mahogany-ish looking ext stems and I was looking for an id or suggestions of something that will look like it and - here's the tricky bit - will actually bend successfully...:oops:
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You need Mike Elliots newest book 'This fancy Old canoe'
In it is a description of how I did that on a CCC board and batten canoe using oak.
I have loads of pictures somewhere and can describe the process in more detail if you need more
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Sam
 
Those stems are mahogany....depending upon what you have available, that is a wood that can be easily bent.
I found cherry to be a very easy one to form outside stems with.
Good luck.
 
Thanks Mike, I haven't had much luck bending mahogany in the past but I attribute that to not being familiar with all the various species and their attributes and also seemingly only being able to source kd stock here in Quebec. I have bent lots of domestic woods for stems and am leaning towards cherry and seeing how it looks but will also try to find a mahogany that will bend for me.
 
Agree that mahogany can be difficult depending upon the type.
If you are open to cherry and have a supply it is much easier to bend. You can almost tie it in knots (Rollin mostdef could).
Depending on the piece, it can give that nice reddish contrast that canoe needs, but mahogany is always a bit more elegant.... if you are patient and can find what you need, that might be the better choice.
For stems, I almost always make myself a form. The bending can be done on the boat, but a form (I think) gives you more options for controlling the wood. Lot's of soaking, lots of steam....
 
Walt - note that all "mahogany" is not the same, truly not the same species and certainly not the same when it comes to bending. The best, by far, are the American mahoganies including Honduran/American/Brazilian/genuine mahogany, Swietenia macrophylla (it has a variety of common names), and Caribbean mahogany, Swietenia mahagoni, which is native to the West Indies and South Florida. American mahoganies seem to be harder to get these days especially in quality form and long lengths. And if you can find air-dried stock, that's always the best for bending (but good luck with that).

There are a variety of species sold as "mahogany" that are gorgeous and great for woodworking... except for steam-bending. These are the African mahoganies, which are very different species. These include utile or sipo (Entandrophragma utile), sapele (Entandrophragma cylindricum), and khaya (Khaya anthotheca, Khaya ivorensis, and a couple of other species). These are beautiful woods that have lots of great woodworking properties, but they are brittle and very difficult to bend. If you want quality American mahogany, find a trusted source that can provide verified, quality products. Some places are very clear on what they have, while others might say, "I don't know, it's just mahogany."

I've been paddling down remote rivers in the Amazon where I've seen huge stacks of gorgeous, fresh-cut mahogany left on the riverbank in the middle of nowhere, waiting for a boat to someday come pick it up. Some people might think it strange what people like us lust after... I was dumbstruck and salivating! After Hurricane Andrew hit South Florida in 1992, people with portable sawmills rushed around ahead of the chainsaws to salvage what they could of some wonderful Florida-grown mahogany.
 
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I have some Philippine mahogany I bought for a (still uncompleted) outdoor bench project. It is so heavy it would barely float. I haven't tried steam bending any but I have zero confidence that it would work.
 
I just got done bending some Philippine mahogany. I had success doing so. I also actually found it to be lighter than other mahogany so not sure what that is about. I do know that Jack McGreivey used Philippine.
 

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I did some steam bending of some old Brazilian mahogany for the outwales on my OT Charles River and it was an absolute bugger! It had a mind of its own, twisting, folding etc. I think you just have to find a good plank of it, have spares and hope for the best but plan for a degree of failure. Good luck and keep us posted.
 
Bend slowly as the wood wants to and do it in a bag under steam. Clamp it at the point it wants to start moving. Typically with mahogany, hot as possible and way longer than other woods….
 
Chris, do you mean bend til it resists and clamp and then reheat and move some more ? It's what I did when I bent honduran outwales for a 14 foot runabout using an improvised tourniquet around the bow and boiling water over a towel. They were 3/4 x 1-1/2 and patience and time won for me. Steve Lapey of the Norumbega chapter bends Mahogany all day with his jigs and clamps. He makes it look too simple.
Yeah, more pics , Chris.
Dave
 
What are the inner stems? And keelsons? Mine were white oak. Kiln dried won't bend without blowing out. Find some air dried cut about a month or so back. Then it is no problem. No bug holes either.

I bent an extra, what 25 years ago. You may get some small cracks on the sides but the cut out when shaping it. Strap it when bending.
 

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I think Jeff was asking "what are they made of?" He's done some wonderful work on Peterboroughs, so he surely knows what an inner vs an outer stem is.
 
Thanks everyone...not much luck finding a pliable mahogany here yet, so I took the easy way with cherry bending on a form and installing after a week. It's a new build and a bit of an experiment/prototype so maybe the next one will have mahogany stems.:)
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