Ye Olde Info Request - Old Town Woodie

seggix

Curious about Wooden Canoes
A hoy hoy!

You guys are legend with getting info, so was hoping to post here and find out a little more about my late father's Old Town Canoe so my mother can sell it to the right home.

Old Town Wooden Canoe
SN: 137012
17 HW (know it's 17 foot, but what does HW mean?)
Green

I believe it was made in 1943, shipped to Muskegon, and sold to one Harold Kieft, but this is information that was passed down so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

Any info you could provide would be helpful, thanks!
 
Welcome, the Old Town canoe with serial number 137012 is a 17 foot long, AA (or top) grade, HW model with open mahogany gunwales, mahogany decks, mahogany thwarts, mahogany seats, a keel, a floor rack, and sponsons. It was built between February and May, 1943. The original exterior paint color was dark green. It shipped on May 24th, 1943 to Muskegon, Michigan. A scan showing this build record can be found below.

This scan and several hundred thousand more were created with substantial grants from the Wooden Canoe Heritage Association (WCHA) and others. A description of the project to preserve these records is available at http://www.wcha.org/catalogs/old-town/records/ if you want more details. I hope that you will donate, join or renew your membership to the WCHA so that services like this can continue. See https://www.woodencanoe.org/about to learn more about the WCHA and https://www.woodencanoe.org/shop to donate or join.

The oral tradition is that Henry Wickett was one of Old Town's first employees and the HW model was named for him as reported in Rollin and Jerry's book in the 1980s. Sue Audette's research for her book which came out in the 1990s indicated that Henry Wickett never worked there and that his son Alfred Wickett was the first employee of the Old Town Canoe Company. Roger MacGregor's book came out even later and suggested that HW might have been for a Canadian designer named Henry Wicksteed who was a friend of J. R. Robertson. This last theory seems the least likely since the HW model was listed in the Indian Old Town Canoe Company catalog from 1901 before Robertson became involved in 1902. It is very popular with many Canadians though. Alfred's brother Humphrey Wickett also worked at Old Town for many years so this may be another possibility. The Old Town catalogs consistently described the HW model as being good for heavy water in the same way that the IF or Guide's model was described as being based on an Indian fishing canoe. There is no historical confirmation available of what HW actually stood for.

It is possible that you could have another number or manufacturer if this description doesn't match the canoe. The 1943 catalog at https://www.woodencanoe.org/_files/ugd/537308_b164a4c3d0cd4191b97d04a9a0e93627.pdf has more details on page six. A listing at http://www.wcha.org/classifieds is usually the best way to find a good new home for a canoe like this. See https://www.woodencanoe.org/ad-instructions for a description of the process. Feel free to reply here if you have any other questions. Good luck with the sale,

Benson



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OPE, HW means Heavy Water, so no need to explain that one, though I am curious how it's construction differed from other models, being a heavy water boat :)

My father got the boat in the mid 60's, one cane seat needs to be re-woven. Other than that it's in great condition and has been up in our garage indoors since 1997. I believe it was re-canvassed once, EONS ago when we lived in Minnesota. Any idea how much I ought to list it for? I'm seeing roughly $2k for a non-rare water ready canoe, but I'm certainly out of my element lol.

We're in Southwest Michigan if that's any help - roundabouts the Holland area.

I've attached some photos :)
 

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WOWOW fast reply! Thank you Benson! Fascinating info on HW.

I think your info is correct, it does indeed match!
 
The roundness of the hull and fullness in the ends are the characteristics that make this canoe more suitable for heavy water. The information at the link below and similar canoes at https://www.woodencanoe.org/classifieds should help you value yours.

Benson


 
Seggix, note that the build sheet included sponsons, which were probably removed during the re-canvassing you spoke of. And what is the deal with the light colored cap on each outwale? Is it for protection, or maybe hiding some damage?
 
My question too. What are the white strips on top of the gunwales? You can see the screw holes in the ribs that originally held the sponsons on in a couple of the photos.
 
Worth, thanks for the note on the sponsons.

Good question all! I'm heading to Michigan next week and will take a closer look and update you folks.

Initial guess: with the sponsons removed perhaps pa wanted some protection from the oars whacking? He has unfortunately passed so I can't ask him directly, and ma isn't the canoe connoisseur so she unfortunately wouldn't know I don't think, but can ask.
 
Seggix, note that the build sheet included sponsons, which were probably removed during the re-canvassing you spoke of. And what is the deal with the light colored cap on each outwale? Is it for protection, or maybe hiding some damage?
may be for a newbie , one for paddling , one to put it on roof car rails
 
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