Ot 84891


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I think I have asked for this one before, but can't find it. appreciate the help. A nice 18' AA grade with outside stems and half ribs. Thanks!!
Ideal Radio Design with Farmy

Hi Ken,

The image Denis sent you is probably too small to read, and I'll try to post the record here (my computer isn't coopterating today) but will give you the information.

OT 84891 is an 18' AA grade Ideal model canoe, finished April 1924-June 1925. It has all the bells and whistles that make a Charles River model an ideal one: mahogany open wales, mahogany decks, thwarts, and seats, half ribs... and a keel. Planking is Western red cedar. Color was originally "radio design" (?), and it has the name "Farmy" in gold on right and left bow.

I will go to another computer to get the record and attach, but at least you have the information.

Shipped to Beruyn, IL, on 6/12/1925 ... sorry I forgot that. The scan of this record is attached below-- click on it to get a larger image.

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Maybe someone else here knows what the radio design is...


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Radio Design

Thanks Kathy,
I'd be really interested in help with what this design is ??
The canoe appears to have originally been a medium/dark blue base color - but has been repainted over with Red. I may try to uncover the blue and see what is underneath at the ends...
Interesting the build record doesn't show any indication of outside stems (it has them) but since that goes along with being an 'Ideal' maybe they just didn't bother to repeat the info.

couple photos of this canoe. Ends need work, but ribs and planking look really good.


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Sail rig?


Is that evidence of a sail rig behind the seat in the first picture?

sail rig

Yes - kind-of...it has the mast step, but not a sailing seat frame - plus the seat frame is drop down style - not attached directly to the inwale. It also has the rudder mounting hardware on the back of the outside stem. I'm guessing dealer installed, since it isn't on the build order or the complete package. the seller didn't have any other parts or know anything about it.


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Ken --

In the picture of the canoe on top of the car -- is that something in the background of the picture, or is there an additional piece of wood on the aft part of keel (a skege of some sort)?
We have an Old Town HW with outside stems that aren't listed on the build record.... yet we know they were original with the canoe (and certainly aren't a standard thing).

"Radio Design" doesn't appear in the designs on the Old Town catalog CD... and I hadn't run into it before, while looking up build records. Maybe Benson knows...

Interestingly, the Ideal model appears in the catalogs from 1906 through 1929. "Reading between the lines" of that period in canoe history, it seems to me that Old Town was essentially telling the public that open gunwales were the way to go--- they helped to make a canoe "ideal"... and then we see the Ideal disappearing with the crash of '29 and the Great Depression, when folks were less likely to have money for a fancier canoe.

loose canvas

Greg, I was looking at the wrong thing...think maybe it is loose canvas that sticks up above the line of the keel. No skeg or anything out of the ordinary on this canoe.
The destination for the canoe is most likely Berwyn, Ill. And she could have been named "Fanny"... makes more sense. Not as cute as "Fanny Dunker", which is still my favorite of the names that we've seen on build records!
I'd be really interested in help with what this design is ??

My guess is that your canoe was originally painted like the one with the radio on the back cover of the 1925 Old Town catalog as shown in the image attached below. It is not unusual to find references to the catalog covers in the color section of some build records as shown at http://forums.wcha.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=2082&d=1159879375 but they are usually not as cryptic as this one. Let us know if you find this under the red paint.

The colored date stamp on the build record for the outside stems may have been too light for the black and white scan. See http://forums.wcha.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5348&d=1215825862 and http://forums.wcha.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5349&d=1215825862 for example.



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Radio Design

Smart detective work Benson. Makes sense that it would be from the catalog cover of the canoe's vintage. Thanks!!:)
under the paint

btw - can't find evidence of this design under the over paint. Can't find evidence of re-canvasing either - looks original to me. Canoe is in nice shape so it will be fun to return it to that design. I like 'Fanny' better than 'Farmy' for the name...so hope Kathy's read is accurate.