Peterborough? What is it?

[Treewater]

This seems to be a Peterborough but unlike the Lake Queen. 16' 0". 32 " wide, 12" deep. No seats. Thwarts original. Rear two are concave underneath. Forward sail thwart larger hole than shoe. Second mast thwart no shoe but possibly carries it's own. Not a single Robertson screw. Too many round headed screws. Painter ring forward is original. Aft is a miniature marine cleat. Decks original oak. There seems to be a lot of "busy" work around this canoe. Meaning, no production streamlining. What is it?

 

[Dan Miller]

I am far from an expert on these all-wood Canadian canoes, but I get the feeling this is a William English . The main thing that catches my eye is the plumb stem.

A bit more here: https://woodencanoemuseum.org/builder-history/wm-english-canoe-company - if it is an English, it is probably model 20, 21, or 22. If I recall correctly, the model number is stamped on the stems.

Roger MacGregor had reprinted an English catalog in 2008 - it might be available from the Canadian Canoe Museum.

Here is an ad from the 1928 ACA yearbook:

 

[Treewater]

Thanks, I'll take stripper tomorrow and see if I can find anything.

 

[Andre Cloutier]

Since Peterborough ended up with the English forms, might still be one of theirs. Brilliant looking boats compared to some other all-wood models.
Shame about the missing tags, but more than made up for by the MGC-pattern deck cleat. Last boat i saw emerge from a storage unit was similar, and a racing model with hollowed thwarts an many instances of thinned components, in the name of weight savings.

 

[John Sand]

It's a very interesting boat.

 

[Treewater]

Racing model? I got this somewhere in Delaware as I remember. It came with one lee board and a tatered sail all marked with a flag or number of some "commodore" of a racing club. This had been a wall hanger for many years.

 

[Treewater]

This came with the canoe, also a sail.

 

[Dan Miller]

The seahorse is the totem of the Knickerbocker Canoe Club.

 

[Treewater]

The seahorse is the totem of the Knickerbocker Canoe Club.

This sail came with the leeboard and canoe. The 9067 is the member number of some "Commodore". Or so I was told.
If it's a racing canoe why did it travel to the US? Didn't the US make any racing canoes?
Didn't remember, we discussed this seven years ago. I'd like to be rid of the sail..any ancestors want it?

ACA member # 9067 was Robert S. Pino, whose address was 33-36 206th St. Bayside, L.I. NY (Flushing). With this you might be able to learn more about him on Ancestry.

In 1928, he is listed as a member of the North Jersey Canoe Club, and in 1931 he was a member of the Wanda Canoe Club. (There is another Robert S. Pino listed in later ACA Yearbooks, also a member of WCC, who has a higher ACA number - I would presume this is a son). My yearbook collection is weak through the late 1920s and early 1930s.

 

[Dan Miller]

Again, an area I'm not as knowledgeable as I'd like to pretend to be. However, yes, a lot of Canadian-built racing canoes, specifically paddling racing canoes ended up in the club houses of ACA-member canoe clubs. (Racing sailing canoes were built by a number of US builders until the end of that era.)

I suggest you chase down Bill Van Keuren. He is a past WCHA board member, member of the Red Dragon Canoe Club, and long time canoe racer. He was one who was there, and can elaborate on the details better than most.