Curiosity is getting the better of me.

patrick corry

solo canoeist
My 1927 Old Town 50# is put aside for a bit after repairing rib tips and stem tips... and the 1938 50# is currently in center stage undergoing inwale repairs and re-fitting into the canoe once I have stripped varnish from the portions which will be inaccessible once re-installed. I couldn't avoid digging into two new canoes...

My brother has caught the old canoe bug from me and arranged the acquisition of two new-to-us Old Town 50#ers. Both are from 1957; #166105 shipped to Aurora, Illinois and #166209 shipped to Philadelphia, PA. According to the build sheets they are both 15' 50# canoes, but #166105 has some differences that make me suspect it's either a custom (though not indicated on the build sheet), or someone at the factory was having a bit of artistic license when building the canoe.
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It's 'fuller' in the ends, or as some might say, the cheeks. The outwale is attached from the interior, through the inwale except at the decks where it's screwed from the outside as normal, note that the screws at the rear of the decks are huge- 2.5" long and #6 gauge.
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And the outwales are D-shaped, quite nicely and without a rabbet, so the canvas top edge is visible between outwale and rib:
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And, in the vein of variation between canoes of the same model, the second 50# canoe has quite a bit more recurve in the stem vs. the other 50#ers; seen here adjacent to my Atkinson Traveler:
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Compare to the 1938 50#er stem seen here in the foreground:
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One last interesting detail about the people associated with these canoes. The 1927 and 1938 canoes came from a gentleman in mid-Hudson NY who was a former CEO of the American Red Cross in Manhattan NY, and the new canoes came from the estate of a gentleman who was the CEO of the American Red Cross in Aurora, Illinois. The former gentleman at one time reported to the latter in his Red Cross career. These last two canoes were found not 3 miles from the farm on which my brother and I grew up! Small world indeed!
 
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I don't know if I still own it, but at one time I had a copy of a Red Cross book called canoeing. It was soft cover tan book.
 
Patrick, Fifty Pounders rule. Don’t let anyone tell you different!! I have a ‘36 Abercrombie Fifty Pounder with the outer D rails!!! It’s all original! I refuse to restore her. My daily user and my favorite boat! Join our FB group!
 
I will line up with Rollin. I absolutely love the Traveller. To me, it is the consummation of the Maine working boat legacy. Under paddle in any kind of water, loaded, unloaded, it makes its way to your destination. I have never owned another canoe that inspires as much confidence that my destination will be reached. One of those on a ripping day on Chesuncook will leave you in awe of your accomplishments. It's a rare day when you get stuck at a campsite. At the end of the day when you toast your miles with a campfire bourbon, you will look fondly at the Traveller and appreciate your safe arrival. In that pretty Burgundy, what a stunner. I'll take two. Trimmed out in cherry. Heck yes.
Not that there is anything wrong with a 50 pounder. But, for my taste, I have always preferred (even solo) an Indian or Indian Girl. These canoes beg to be loaded up and paddled. My Indian is the only 15 foot canoe that I really enjoy paddling. Otherwise, I always prefer 16s.
My friends always ask, "why so many canoes"? Choices are important.
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Recently, on Fans of the Wooden Canoe Heritage Association on Facebook, Chris Pearson made a comment that Abercrombie & Fitch ordered canoes with the D shaped outwale (as he also did here in response #5). This 50#er with the D rails has no A&F tag, label, or tell-tale fasteners on the deck which would suggest that a tag was once there, and also, the build record indicates direct shipment from Old Town to Aurora, IL in 1957.

Anyone more knowledgeable about Old Town and Abercrombie & Fitch care to weigh in? I'm curious to know if this was an option anyone could choose- though it's not on the build sheet.
 
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Chris Pearson made a comment that Abercrombie & Fitch ordered canoes with the D shaped outwale

Sigh, some claim that D shaped outside gunwales on Old Town canoes were only shipped to Abercrombie & Fitch. This is demonstrably false. The canoes shown at the two links below both have D shaped outside gunwales and neither one shipped to Abercrombie & Fitch. The build record at https://forums.wcha.org/attachments/13352/ has a note about D shaped outside gunwales and it shipped to Von Lengerke & Antonine in Chicago. (Yes, I know that Abercrombie & Fitch purchased Von Lengerke & Antonine in 1928 so it could be argued that this canoe from 1937 shipped to a subsidiary of Abercrombie & Fitch.) There are other examples as well so it is not clear why some Old Town canoes got D shaped outside gunwales.

Benson




 
I have an Old Town with D-shaped outwales. It shipped to Scruggs-Vandervoort-Barney, St. Louis, in 1926. It is an unusually fancy Old Town with lots of details on the build record, but the record doesn't mention this outwale style; it says only "open mahogany." I thought maybe the outwales were done as part of the "fancying" but clearly these are found on regular Old Towns also. So far there doesn't seem any consistency among Old Town canoes that have D-shaped outwales, and for whatever reason there seemed to be no particular need to mention these unusual outwales on the build records.
 
for whatever reason there seemed to be no particular need to mention these unusual outwales on the build records.
Perhaps the workmen at Old Town occasionally chose to vary their workday by randomly adding aesthetic details! When disassembling the outwales I couldn't get over the size of the screws into the widest portion of the decks; #6 x 2.5" screws! I had a devil of a time just getting them to begin turning! (see the 1st picture I posted)
 
It's Friday afternoon at the Old Town factory. Joe and Bob have to finish trimming the last canoe of the day. Joe says to Bob, "Hey Bob, got any outer gunwales over there for this here canoe?" Bob says," Sorry Joe, the milling room downstairs fell behind - ain't got any outwales today." Joe says " what about those D-shaped things over there?" Bob says " those are for the fancy canoes, Joe." Joe says "Bob, let's slam 'em onto this here canoe, send it out the door, and we can go down to the pub and have a pint."
 
Sigh, some claim that D shaped outside gunwales on Old Town canoes were only shipped to Abercrombie & Fitch. This is demonstrably false. The canoes shown at the two links below both have D shaped outside gunwales and neither one shipped to Abercrombie & Fitch. The build record at https://forums.wcha.org/attachments/13352/ has a note about D shaped outside gunwales and it shipped to Von Lengerke & Antonine in Chicago. (Yes, I know that Abercrombie & Fitch purchased Von Lengerke & Antonine in 1928 so it could be argued that this canoe from 1937 shipped to a subsidiary of Abercrombie & Fitch.) There are other examples as well so it is not clear why some Old Town canoes got D shaped outside gunwales.

Benson




I’m not stating that D shaped outwales were exclusive to Abercrombie, just that they ordered them with the option.
 
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