Possible Old Town or Carleton
- Thread starter Douglas
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My guess is that this is the Old Town canoe with serial number 91462. It is a 17 foot long, CS (Common Sense or middle) grade, HW (heavy water) model with red western cedar planking, open spruce gunwales, birch decks, birch thwarts, birch seats, a keel, a floor rack, and sponsons. It was built between June, 1926 and March, 1927. The original exterior paint design was similar to the one shown at http://www.wcha.org/catalogs/old-town/designs/design17.gif with white in place of the gold. It shipped on April 11th, 1927 to Detroit, Michigan. A scan showing this build record can be found by following the link at the attached thumbnail image below.
This scan and several hundred thousand others were created with substantial grants from the Wooden Canoe Heritage Association (WCHA) and others. A description of the project to preserve these records is available at http://www.wcha.org/ot_records/ if you want more details. I hope that you will join or renew your membership to the WCHA so that services like this can continue. See http://www.wcha.org/about-the-wcha/ to learn more about the WCHA and http://store.wcha.org/WCHA-New-Membership.html to join.
It is also possible that you could have another number or manufacturer if this description doesn't match your canoe. This number is higher than the Carleton records as shown at http://www.wcha.org/catalogs/carleto...ton_chart.html and there are no Kennebec serial numbers records for canoes in this range either. The information at http://forums.wcha.org/showthread.php?57 and http://wcha.org/pp-classifieds/ should help you determine a fair price. Feel free to reply here if you have any other questions,
Benson
This scan and several hundred thousand others were created with substantial grants from the Wooden Canoe Heritage Association (WCHA) and others. A description of the project to preserve these records is available at http://www.wcha.org/ot_records/ if you want more details. I hope that you will join or renew your membership to the WCHA so that services like this can continue. See http://www.wcha.org/about-the-wcha/ to learn more about the WCHA and http://store.wcha.org/WCHA-New-Membership.html to join.
It is also possible that you could have another number or manufacturer if this description doesn't match your canoe. This number is higher than the Carleton records as shown at http://www.wcha.org/catalogs/carleto...ton_chart.html and there are no Kennebec serial numbers records for canoes in this range either. The information at http://forums.wcha.org/showthread.php?57 and http://wcha.org/pp-classifieds/ should help you determine a fair price. Feel free to reply here if you have any other questions,
Benson
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Greg Nolan
enthusiast
Douglas, it is impossible to hazard an estimate of price with the lack of information available. Usually a personal inspection is needed before an estimate of a fair price might be made.
The one photo is terrible – something wrong with the color balance, so that you can’t even guess at the condition of the interior varnish. It is too small to show any detail, even about the bow end – is the brass stem band there, or not? What is the front seat covered with – sagging cane, sagging something else, or is it even sagging? The sponsons have been removed, which means the canoe has been recovered – with canvas, fiberglass, or ???? When were the sponsons removed and the new cover put on? What is the condition of the paint?
Are there any cracked ribs or planks? What do the stems look like, especially under the deck? Any rot? Any damage to the gunwales? Does it still have the keel?
It looks like it might be a nice canoe – but it could be a nice canoe that needs a good deal of work. At a minimum, answers to the questions above would be needed before even a guess at a fair price might be made.
Greg
The one photo is terrible – something wrong with the color balance, so that you can’t even guess at the condition of the interior varnish. It is too small to show any detail, even about the bow end – is the brass stem band there, or not? What is the front seat covered with – sagging cane, sagging something else, or is it even sagging? The sponsons have been removed, which means the canoe has been recovered – with canvas, fiberglass, or ???? When were the sponsons removed and the new cover put on? What is the condition of the paint?
Are there any cracked ribs or planks? What do the stems look like, especially under the deck? Any rot? Any damage to the gunwales? Does it still have the keel?
It looks like it might be a nice canoe – but it could be a nice canoe that needs a good deal of work. At a minimum, answers to the questions above would be needed before even a guess at a fair price might be made.
Greg
Kathryn Klos
squirrel whisperer
The fan-shaped backrest is a nice addition (appears to be Old Town's version), and the floor rack is still in the canoe. These items are often missing from a canoe of this age. Another "plus" (in my estimation) is that canoes with sponsons have those little carry-thwarts at each end... so even though the sponsons are gone, you have a couple little handles that make moving and securing the canoe a bit easier.
