Ot 175304 16 & 63239 18
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Kathryn Klos
squirrel whisperer
Hi Dave,
Old Town 175304 is a 16 foot Guide model completed October-December 1965, with 2 3/4" planking, mahogany decks, and a keel. Stern seat was moved 2" ahead. It was originally guide special green, and was shipped to Eynon, PA, on March 3, 1966. Is all the trim mahogany? This certainly was a special order... not many guides come up with mahogany trim.
I'll send this one because I see you're on line and will finish looking the other up. The scan of this record is attached below-- click on it to get a larger image.
This scan and several hundred thousand others were created with substantial grants from the Wooden Canoe Heritage Association (WCHA) and others. A description of the project to preserve these records is available at http://www.wcha.org/ot_records/ if you want more details. I hope that you and anyone else reading this will join or renew membership in the WCHA so that services like this can continue. See http://www.wcha.org/wcha/ to learn more about the WCHA and http://www.wcha.org/join.php to renew.
Kathy
Old Town 175304 is a 16 foot Guide model completed October-December 1965, with 2 3/4" planking, mahogany decks, and a keel. Stern seat was moved 2" ahead. It was originally guide special green, and was shipped to Eynon, PA, on March 3, 1966. Is all the trim mahogany? This certainly was a special order... not many guides come up with mahogany trim.
I'll send this one because I see you're on line and will finish looking the other up. The scan of this record is attached below-- click on it to get a larger image.
This scan and several hundred thousand others were created with substantial grants from the Wooden Canoe Heritage Association (WCHA) and others. A description of the project to preserve these records is available at http://www.wcha.org/ot_records/ if you want more details. I hope that you and anyone else reading this will join or renew membership in the WCHA so that services like this can continue. See http://www.wcha.org/wcha/ to learn more about the WCHA and http://www.wcha.org/join.php to renew.
Kathy
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Kathryn Klos
squirrel whisperer
Old Town 63239 is an 18' CS grade Otca model canoe that was completed October of 1920-- January 1922 (perhaps explaining the lack of diamond-headed bolts), with 20" birch decks, birch thwarts, and seat frames. It has a keel and a floor rack, and maybe half ribs? (I see marks by half ribs, but it may mean nothing). The canoe was originally maroon with a 4" white stripe next to the gunwales, and a "Roman stripe"--- maybe the same as Greek ends? I'll attach the build record, but won't repeat the standard blurb...
Kathy
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A quick Google image search shows that a "Roman stripe" is commonly represented by many small stripes of multiple colors. The March 1925 issue of Needlecraft Magazine reproduced at http://byjingobygee.blogspot.com/2009/05/free-knitting-pattern-from-1925.html has a "Knitted Roman-Stripe Scarf" like this. The Old Town design number 13 is similar as shown at http://www.wcha.org/catalogs/old-town/designs/design13.gif from the early 1920s catalogs. My guess is that this may be closer to the original stripe pattern than one with Greek ends. Let us know if your canoe has the original canvas and you can see any indication of the original pattern and colors.
Benson
Kathryn Klos
squirrel whisperer
Hi Dave-- Denis and I hope to fill next summer with all the missed experiences of the past couple summers-- and that includes your river close-up.
Getting chilly here, but today we made a pilgrimage to a town two hours away where a hummingbird pair that normally resides in California has taken up residence. Watching birds and other "things of nature" is another of the passions that keep us going....
The Roman stripe is interesting... while it makes the most sense that the Roman stripe on Old Town canoes is what's pictured in the image of the canoe Benson posted, here's something that rang a bell with me from watching the PBS series "I Claudius" (this is from the wikipedia):
"All senators were entitled to wear a senatorial ring... and a tunica clava, a white tunic with a broad purple stripe 5 inch (130 mm) wide (latus clavus) on the right shoulder. A senator pedarius wore a white toga virilis (also called a toga pura) without decoration, whereas a senator who had held a curule magistracy was entitled to wear the toga praetexta, a white toga with a broad purple border."
Further poking-around yields images close to the striping on the OT canoe of Benson's post... most commonly, "Roman stripe" seems to be a quilting term:
http://www.amishcountrylanes.com/Pages/wh3414.shtml
I'm guessing that somewhere along the way, a simple purple stripe became a bit more grand...
Kathy
Getting chilly here, but today we made a pilgrimage to a town two hours away where a hummingbird pair that normally resides in California has taken up residence. Watching birds and other "things of nature" is another of the passions that keep us going....
The Roman stripe is interesting... while it makes the most sense that the Roman stripe on Old Town canoes is what's pictured in the image of the canoe Benson posted, here's something that rang a bell with me from watching the PBS series "I Claudius" (this is from the wikipedia):
"All senators were entitled to wear a senatorial ring... and a tunica clava, a white tunic with a broad purple stripe 5 inch (130 mm) wide (latus clavus) on the right shoulder. A senator pedarius wore a white toga virilis (also called a toga pura) without decoration, whereas a senator who had held a curule magistracy was entitled to wear the toga praetexta, a white toga with a broad purple border."
Further poking-around yields images close to the striping on the OT canoe of Benson's post... most commonly, "Roman stripe" seems to be a quilting term:
http://www.amishcountrylanes.com/Pages/wh3414.shtml
I'm guessing that somewhere along the way, a simple purple stripe became a bit more grand...
Kathy
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thirsty
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Benson, Kathy,
Thank you both. This 1922 canoe is in real nice shape, including seats and thwarts, exceptions middle thwart missing & slight rot both ends. It was fiberglassed. The owner would like to sell it, but interested in getting it to someone who will bring it back. I'm sure he will include the info on the Roman stripe to the buyer. Thank you. Dave
Thank you both. This 1922 canoe is in real nice shape, including seats and thwarts, exceptions middle thwart missing & slight rot both ends. It was fiberglassed. The owner would like to sell it, but interested in getting it to someone who will bring it back. I'm sure he will include the info on the Roman stripe to the buyer. Thank you. Dave
