New member - I need help

James

Curious about Wooden Canoes
I just bought a 16' cedar strip canoe with a flat back transom. The fella told me it is a 1947 and I have no way of knowing that is true. Looks like the transom has been replaced since it is made of oak. ( unless it comes that way??). I can't find any markings on this canoe anywhere. Could someone help me and give me something to look for that will give me a time frame of when this canoe was made? There is no name,numbers etc... on this. It has recently been recovered (canvased I believe). It came with a 1954 Johnson outboard.
I will try to add some boat pictures.
Thanks,James
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Welcome, James-- cool boat, cool house, nice little boy-- looks like you have it all! I'm not particularly well-acquainted with boats for rowing and motoring-about, but the half rib/stringer configuration appears Thompson-ish to me, and I'll look at the Thompson catalogs--- meanwhile, someone else may have information for you.

Kathy
 
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Kathy
Thanks for the reply and compliments. The pictures make it look like a boat, but it is actually a canoe. Any more info. would be great. I don't plan on selling this canoe unless its worth lots. I only bought it so I could put it in my house as decoration,so a flat transom worked out best since I have it standing up. Great converstion piece. Hopefully I will get some more replies so I can figure out exactly what I have.
Welcome, James-- cool boat, cool house, nice little boy-- looks like you have it all! I'm not particularly well-acquainted with boats for rowing and motoring-about, but the half rib/stringer configuration appears Thompson-ish to me, and I'll look at the Thompson catalogs--- meanwhile, someone else may have information for you.

Kathy
 
Throw Pillows

I think you need Throw Pillows for decoration.

Get a small outboard for the boy to run around the pond with soon and those are real keepsakes.

:)
 
Hi again, James--

My guess is that your boat began life as a canoe-- perhaps a Thompson or Shell Lake, but your location might help narrow that down (if you live in or near Wisconsin, this guess would seem more accurate)-- and someone modified it so it could be used with an outboard motor. It may originally have had two pointy-ends and one was truncated to accept a motor.

As a 1947-vintage canoe, it might have had plank seats because cane wasn't available until that year (the war-effort dried up sources of cane from about 1943-47).

The records for the canoes by most builders don't exist. Of the older builders, we have Old Town/Carleton's records on CD and Kennebec's are also available to us because they are in a museum. For other builders, there are ways to narrow down the possible year it was built, based on aspects of construction, but no records with an exact date exist--- for instance, canoes from "the war years" may be built without brass or copper. With some canoes, those familiar with old canoes may be able to say, "it looks pre-WWII" or "it's pre-1900". Yours has open gunwales, so we know it's post-1905.

For a canoe to have so much value that you're off to the auction-house to get the money for your boy's college education, it would have to be a Rushton model ("salesman's sample") or something along those lines. Most antique/historic canoes are worth about what the owner has into them, and sometimes not even that... the value is in using them and appreciating their history-- in getting a kick out of paddling something older than your parents, knowing it has seen folks through happy times and maybe helped any sad times feel a bit happier. If my guess is correct, the value of your canoe lies mainly in its history and its use for recreation and not as a collector piece... someone else here may have further input, but I say "enjoy".

I hope this is helpful...

Kathy
 
Hey Kathy
Thanks for the reply. Lots of good information.
I don't think this canoe will ever see the water again as it has enhanced our homes decarative appeal and my wife can't stop talkn' about it. Funny how a simple canoe can create such enjoyment even when its not in the water.
Value wise, I think I got a good deal on it. I only paid $500 for it with the motor and a trailerthis
I find it very interesting that someone would have cut this canoe up. Don't they build canoes already like this?.
Thanks again,much appreciated.
James
 
Many of our members have canoes that serve both as indoor decor and useful recreational vehicle... especially if they live near water.

Sounds like you did get a deal. And yes, many of the companies that built canoes had a square-back model... but people do things to canoes that involve cutting them apart... there are book cases made from the start to resemble canoes, but people still cut in half perfectly good old canoes... or turn them into flower beds or mailbox shelters...
 
Yours may still be a truncated canoe, but when I saw this picture I wondered if yours was a modified version of the boat on the left. This was in the 1947 Thompson catalog on the CD collection available from dragonflycanoe.com. Or perhaps someone with a Thompson canoe modified it because they saw one of these boats-- that's a "why" for why someone cuts up a perfectly good canoe. I used to "modify" furniture and clothing that I now wish I'd left alone...
 
Close , but not it.

Kathy, it looks very similiar but the dimensions do not add up. Width at midship it is only 37". The LOA is 16'. The seat at either end is a large seat and the 3 middle ones are the small ones.
I am in Ontario, 2 hours north of Toronto if that makes a difference.
I may have found your boat-- look at pictures and compare--
 
I seriously doubt it is a modified canoe. If you look at the deadrise in the stern, as well as the sheerline, it would seem to indicate a purpose built canoe. The transom is a weird shape, but with the shape of the hull, I bet it would be sweet under power. It is kind of too bad that it is destined to be a decorator! Where is Dan Miller? He is the ID god!
 
Thanks Mark.
I too think it is an unmodified canoe. Not sure how it would be under power and unfortunately I don't think I will find ut in the near future. Even thou its only a decorative piece it is still giving us a sense of appreciation.
James
I seriously doubt it is a modified canoe. If you look at the deadrise in the stern, as well as the sheerline, it would seem to indicate a purpose built canoe. The transom is a weird shape, but with the shape of the hull, I bet it would be sweet under power. It is kind of too bad that it is destined to be a decorator! Where is Dan Miller? He is the ID god!
 
Where is Dan Miller? He is the ID god!

C'mon Mark - there are plenty here that know as much or more than I do...! Nonetheless, it does have the Thompson Brothers look to it, and I wonder if the Thompson Speed Canoe comes close? See attached from 1928 catalog...
 

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C'mon Mark - there are plenty here that know as much or more than I do...! Nonetheless, it does have the Thompson Brothers look to it, and I wonder if the Thompson Speed Canoe comes close? See attached from 1928 catalog...

Hi Dan
Thanks for your input.That canoe does look very similar to mine but as you can see in the pictures that I've added, it is still a little different at the bow and the seating. But it is very close.
I've attached some close up shots,not a very good camera so this is the best I could get.
You all have been very helpful, thanks
James
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Any more ideas on the age of this? Or how can I go about looking at some pics to match up to mine?
 
Hi James--

You were told it dates to 1947, so I'd begin by trying to determine if that's true. A war-years-canoe will often have fastenings that are steel rather than copper or brass and would attract a magnet. You might try using a magnet if obviously steel-stuff isn't apparent. Matching up pictures might involve buying the Thompson Bros catalog collection, as those canoes appear to be the closest. The catalogs can be found at from http://www.wcha.org/catalog/ and http://www.dragonflycanoe.com/cdrom.htm on the web. Someone else may have more thoughts.

Kathy
 
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