My old canoe

lebeaum187

Curious about Wooden Canoes
I am looking to find some information on this canoe. It's my great grandfathers canoe from Ely, Minnesota. It was made in the early in the 1900's. It is 18ft long. 12" deep and 32" wide. The canoe is in good condition/ not excellent but good, needs some work on canvas and wood. On the tag it says W.M. R. Burkard Company from St. Paul, Minnesota. I am interested in selling it for my dad. He is a very busy business man all offers and other inquiries must go through him first. We need more information on it first. I am posting some pictures, your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Wow that looks really nice, wonder why the canoe I just got 1/2 that age was rotted? Have fun using it before you sell it!
 
Your canoe was built by the BN Morris company of Veazie, Maine, in approximately 1905. The company in St. Paul was merely the distributor of this canoe. If you use the "search" function above and put in "Morris" you will get many pages of threads to wile-away the hours. There are also several issues of the journal Wooden Canoe with information about Morris canoes, and a delightful Facebook page :). Back issues of Wooden Canoe are available through the WCHA store.

Your canoe appears to be in excellent condition for its age. Morris canoes were "all one grade" and trimmed in mahogany. There are also a couple of inspirational YouTube videos featuring a Morris canoe in slightly less desirable condition than yours (!), which can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAz-rspieqE and at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN462MWTABc.

I've added your canoe to our growing database of Morris canoes... I haven't counted 'em up for a while but am guessing there are about 250 in the database (and probably another 250 in hiding!).

Any original paperwork in regard to this canoe (bill of sale, etc.) would add much to what we think we know. I'm also interested in the number of cant ribs on your canoe. A picture taken of the floor of the canoe, under the deck, would answer this question. The cant ribs are those ribs that are way up in the nose of the canoe-- they aren't full ribs that go from one gunwale to the other, but are partial ribs that are canted into the stem on the floor of the canoe.

Thanks much for this information, and congratulations on your Morris.

Kathy
 
Interestingly, Morris 3013 is already listed in the Morris database, as one of the twenty-three known Morris canoes in Jeff and Jill Dean's 1985 article in Wooden Canoe #21. I placed these numbers into the database, thinking the canoes might eventually turn up. The article contains only a listing of serial numbers of known Morris canoes, with no additional information about them. Only one other Morris listed in that article has surfaced.

Interesting that in 1985 somebody knew this canoe was a Morris and reported it to the WCHA.
 
wow all this is so interesting! this is a pretty nice canoe. do you know what it possibly could be worth? i will figure that stuff out tomorrow and put it on here!
 
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For a discussion of determining value, see the post at:

http://forums.wcha.org/showthread.php?57-How-much-is-my-old-wooden-canoe-worth

Keep in mind that a Morris canoe is a premium canoe, and will generally fetch a premium price compared to many other canoes, all other things being more-or-less equal.


In addition to the factors discussed, consider the location of the canoe, relative to potential buyers -- transportation/shipping is a serious issue that will likely affect price. If a buyer cannot readily pick the canoe up, shipping or other transportation must be arranged, and it can be expensive and/or inconvenient. A few years ago I bought a canoe on eBay located in Mattawamkeag, Me. We live in Brooklyn, NY, and probably would not have considered the canoe at any price, except for the fact that we also have a place in in Dover-Foxcroft, Me., about an hour from the canoe seller. As it was, we were the only bidder. If that canoe had been located in eastern NY, Conn., or MA, I would have expected more bidding, and it may well have sold for quite a bit more than we paid for it.

Finally, don't be impatient. You may have to wait months or even years to get top dollar for your canoe. Alternatively, if you need the money now, or cannot keep the canoe for whatever reason -- going to school, moving, being evicted, spousal problems -- you may have to sell at a lower price than you might get if you have the time to wait.
 
Any ideas on a good price for this canoe? I am thinking of putting it in the classified section soon.
 
It's hard to put a value on a canoe without seeing it in person. No matter how good a canoe may appear in pictures, those who have restored them know the sort of "surprises" that can be lurking in the hull of an old boat. It's always up to what the buyer is willing to pay, in any case.

If a buyer plans to hire someone else to do a complete restoration, the cost would probably be around $3000, and "in today's economy" (don't we all LOVE hearing that when we hope to sell something) few canoes reach the $3K price... so a buyer such as this would need to be someone who wanted a Morris and saw the advantages in yours. But that buyer might only want to pay a few hundred dollars, because they would need to put so much more into it (money-wise).

Your canoe might be more valuable to those who want a Morris (they tend to be a desired species of canoe) and are able to work on it themselves. If you look at the link Greg provided on "canoe value", you see that a water-worthy canoe is worth about $1000 (give or take). If your canoe can be paddled as-is, thus allowing use of the canoe right-away, with restoration happening when time permits, you may get about a thousand for a Morris that has remained in the same family and hasn't been hacked-into by someone who simply wants to get it back into the water. Someone looking for a winter project might pay nearly that much if they are looking for a Morris that hasn't been worked-on before and doesn't need much done to it... some folks don't want to strip the inner varnish, etc. It really depends on what the buyer is looking for.

One more thing to mention is that "these days" it seems folks are looking for canoes 16 feet in length or less. The most common Morris length appears to be the 17-footer, and there were a lot of 18-footers made as well. In the early twentieth century, these longer boats were desirable for a couple reasons: those who used the Morris for fishing/hunting needed a big canoe for all their gear, and those who used the Morris for courting needed a big canoe for all the courting-paraphernalia (blankets, pillows, picnic supplies, Victrola, etc.) but these days, folks want something that can easily be placed on top of a car. That being said, anyone looking for a Morris might be inclined toward yours in spite of the extra couple of feet, if it fills the bill in other aspects.

Wish I could persuade you to enjoy the canoe yourself-- it's a wonderful thing to have a canoe that has been in the family for over a hundred years! But it's also wonderful to re-home something your family has had stewardship of for such a long time, and to know it will be enjoyed by others.

Kathy
 
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