Thanks for the link - I will take a look at that. The sad part is there's a story behind all this... we just found out in checking into this canoe that it is not the canoe my dad actually purchased originally. He purchased a 14 foot canvas portage canoe - when it was delivered it had a large bubble in the canvas or apparently some sort of defect so they returned it under warranty to be repaired. The store, Bronner's, called him a few weeks later and said his canoe was back - he told them to just put it in a certain rack outside their store and he'd get it - he went after hours, saw this green canoe in the rack they specified and he picked it up... well in checking into this... he apparently got a different canoe. what a can of worms to open some 40 years later!!!