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Is this a Chestnut canoe?

Discussion in 'Research and History' started by dave westworth, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. dave westworth

    dave westworth Curious about Wooden Canoes

    About 10 years ago I bought an old wood and canvas canoe. The person who sold it to me had recently restored it and said it was a 1947 Chestnut Canoe. I located a serial number (914 or 814) but I understand that no records remain for Chestnuts. The canoe is 16 ft long, 32 1/2" wide beam, and 13" deep. The ribs are 1 1/2" and planks 3 3/4". Any ideas as to whether this is correct or not and if not, what else it could be?
     

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  2. ken mueller

    ken mueller Canton, Ohio

    The shoe keel, decks, and deck hardware sure look like the ones on my Chestnut (pal). Square head screws in the gunwales also indicate a Canadian made canoe. Also on my canoe, the very first cant rib is very wide compared to the others (cant ribs).
     
  3. davelanthier

    davelanthier Wooden Canoes are in the Blood

    Looks like it could be a Chestnut Prospector. Bill Masons favorite canoe.
     
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    dave westworth

    dave westworth Curious about Wooden Canoes

    Thanks Ken and Dave,
    I was pretty certain it was a Canadian canoe because it does have the square head screws and the deck shape also matches that described for a Chestnut. The first rib on mine is also much larger than the rest at 4 1/2". I don't know if matters but the seats are made of slats. Does that offer up any more information?
     
  5. A 16' Prospector would be wider and deeper, and would have 2-1/4" tapered ribs and slat seats.

    The dimensions you give, combined with narrow ribs suggest your canoe is a Pal (another Mason favorite). Only problem is the Pal usually had caned seats, but they may have been replaced.

    On this site http://www.picturetrail.com/daveogilvy , the Pal appears in the 1957 Chestnut catalog, but is not in the 1950 one, so 1947 seems iffy.

    You may find more information at Dan Miller's Canoe Identification Guide at http://www.dragonflycanoe.com/id/index.html or in the Canadian companies CD-ROM available at http://dragonflycanoe.com/cdrom.htm .

    Hope this helps,

    Martin
     
  6. davelanthier

    davelanthier Wooden Canoes are in the Blood

    In retrospect I have to agree with Martin. The Prospectors I've worked on were 14" deep but I did a 3rd. grade model with red cedar planks,the same seats and 1.5" ribs. The thinner, wide first cant ribs are standard in Chestnut and Peterborough.
     
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    dave westworth

    dave westworth Curious about Wooden Canoes

    Even with all the help and references, I still seem to be having some trouble identifying this old canoe. It seems pretty certain that it's a Chestnut but I'd like to keep trying to get it to a model and if possible an approximate year. It's the measurements that I can't fit to any models. Maybe I'm taking the measurements incorrectly. What is the proper way to measure the width and depth?
     
  8. Dick Persson

    Dick Persson Canoe builder & restorer

    Dave,

    Your canoe is likely a Chestnut but it could also have been built by the Canadian Canoe Co. If the thwarts and slat seats are original I would suspect your canoe was built sometime in the 1960's.

    Width is measured to the hull exterior's widest point (not including the outside gunnels). As your canoe seems to have a tumblehome the widest point is about 5 to 6 inches below the gunnels. Depth is measured at the centre of the canoe from the top level of the gunnels to the bottom hull exterior, which includes the thickness of planking and canvas, but not the keel.

    Dick Persson
    Headwater Wooden Boat Shop
     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2006
  9. Dan Miller

    Dan Miller cranky canoeist Staff Member

    Assuming it is a pleasure model, Chestnut offered the Deer (the 16' pleasure model with narrow ribs) with slat seats, in 1966. That would be the only year it was specified thus in the catalogs, apparently.
     
  10. Luke

    Luke New Member

    you have a 17' Chestnut Prospector "Garry" Model, 14.5" deep, my friend - the workhorse of northern Canada..........have been restoring them for years........oh, don't bother trying to find the age with the serial number, its a wild goose chase, looks to be 50's to 60's. can't quite see the ribs but if they have a 45 degree bevel on one side its a grade "A" construction. if not, grade "B"......!! (have looked again at pics and if you can't squeak 14.5 deep out of it, then its a guide special - tho unmistakably a Chestnut)
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2010

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