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Discussion in 'Tips and Tricks' started by rakwetpaddle, Feb 20, 2011.

  1. rakwetpaddle

    rakwetpaddle paddle dipper

    I am in the process of building a form for wanigans and another for a book case. My question is: Why is the form covered with 1" or so pieces?
    Question two: Should I be looking at quarter sawn or rift sawn cedar for ribs and/or planking?
  2. Rob Stevens

    Rob Stevens Wooden Canoes are in the Blood

    Less work and waste around the curves?
  3. Andre Cloutier

    Andre Cloutier Firestarter. Wicked Firestarter.

    Yup, you'd spend a lot of time trying to fair it around the curves if you laid big slabs of wood on it, they wouldnt conform to the bend at all. Here's a picture of my smaller form, and one i took off yesterday. Remember to put some clear packing tape over the steel to keep from staining your ribs unless you pop for glavanized steel.

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  4. Dave Wermuth

    Dave Wermuth Who hid my paddle?

    Hi ralph

    You can always come over and use one of my forms. I think the 3/4" or 1" stock that is used is to make it solid and for ease of building it. --- If I understand the question.
    I try to select quater sawn for planks and let the flat sawn stuff get used for ribs. but that's for canoes. I suppose wanigans are the same.
    Oh, and for bookcases, I use the lesser quality wood for that regardless how its sawn. I haven't made one in a long time.
  5. Jay Magruder

    Jay Magruder Curious about Wooden Canoes

    Ribs on Wanigan

    Andre your wanigan looks beautiful. Its a project I have been thinking about for some time. I noticed that you have the ribs on the inside of the wanigan. I thought they needed to be on the outside to interlock with the ribs of the canoe. Please help me out with this detail.
  6. Rob Stevens

    Rob Stevens Wooden Canoes are in the Blood

    Don't be fooled by those. They aren't users. Too pretty. And pot sets don't conform to a curved surface.
  7. Andre Cloutier

    Andre Cloutier Firestarter. Wicked Firestarter.

    Built out of cedar and with rope handles they are certainly users, but Rob is correct in that the fancier woods are too heavy and nice to beat up. His objection to traditional curved wanigans apparently arises from their inability to accept the pot he needs them to accommodate.;)
    On a serious note, outside ribs would lock them into the boat they are intended for, provided you have the dimensions and measurements to lay on the bottom. Done correctly you could build a form on your boats inside dimensions and have it conform perfectly, requiring a capsize to remove it.
  8. Rob Stevens

    Rob Stevens Wooden Canoes are in the Blood

    Seems to me, if you build it with ribs spaced to interlock with the canoe ribs, the weight of the wanigan would be resting on the planking alone. Would you want to stress the planking that much?
  9. Andre Cloutier

    Andre Cloutier Firestarter. Wicked Firestarter.

    I suppose you could make the wanigan ribs thinner than the boats and it would still rest on the boat ribs rather than just on planking, and still lock in for rough rides.
  10. OP

    rakwetpaddle paddle dipper

    Building a mold

    Guys, I was wondering why the mold is made the way it is, with 1" or so pieces. I did make mine that way but wondered why a 6" board down the center would work as well as 6 one inch pieces. I "get it" about going around the curves.
    Andre, I bought your old wanigan form at Keuka a couple of years ago. I have since built another as well as one 4' long for a book case.
    I was wondering if/why quarter sawn was used in either planking or rib stock. I did not pay any attention to that when I made my wanigan but everything worked.
  11. Andre Cloutier

    Andre Cloutier Firestarter. Wicked Firestarter.

    Wow, 4' long - canoe shaped or Wanigan? either way thats lots of clenching!
    Like Dave said, flat sawn is easiest for ribs in most cases. How bout some pictures of your products?
  12. Dan Miller

    Dan Miller cranky canoeist Staff Member

    It would work fine to do it that way. Even easier if your mold is flat-bottomed. If it is curved, you'll have a little sanding to do to fair it. When I build full size canoe molds, I start with a football-shaped bit down the centerline, 12 inches or so wide in the middle tapering to nothing towards the stems.
  13. Andre Cloutier

    Andre Cloutier Firestarter. Wicked Firestarter.

    Another non-user.;)
    Had some of Badger Paddles' hemp oil given to me to try out, the first coat looks fantastic. Lots of their paddles have it and it makes a great finish. Mike donated a paddle to the auction last year, if you want to try a great food safe, clean finish its worth a try ( even if he does spell gunnel strangely)

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    DUKE NUKEM Curious about Wooden Canoes

    More good info and thanks.
  15. WoodNCanvas

    WoodNCanvas LOVES Wooden Canoes

    I've used the Badger oil on my paddles....great great folks

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