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8' Old Town store model

Discussion in 'Scale and Miniature Canoe Models' started by Consie, Feb 17, 2018.

  1. Consie

    Consie New Member

    Hello experts. I just found a nice old 8' Old Town canoe in my antiques picking travels. While it is overpainted, I would say that it is in a good state of survival. The interior is intact and in a crusty old varnish. There is an authentic OT decal on one of the little "decks"
    The seats and thwarts are fastened with a kind of diamond shaped rivet head. I wonder if this might date the canoe? Any opinions on value of an "as found" 8 footer?. I will post some pix tomorrow. Thanks Cons
     
  2. Benson Gray

    Benson Gray Canoe History Enthusiast Staff Member

    Congratulations, pictures will help. Do you have a fiberglass or a wooden one? The diamond headed bolts first appeared around 1923 in the full sized canoes but these were usually not used on the models because the scale is all off. There were several different styles of paddle decals used on the decks over the years so this may also help date it. Is there a serial number on the inside stems and what is it? See http://www.wcha.org/forums/index.php?threads/791/ if you are not sure where to look. Very few of these have shown up in recent years so there aren't many comparable sales available to help determine a value. They are somewhat rare which is good news. The bad news is that the eight foot size makes them much more difficult to display than the four foot ones. These two factors will probably cancel out so the value is likely to be similar to a four foot model in comparable condition. Can you tell us anything more about it?

    Benson
     
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    Consie

    Consie New Member

    Hi Benson. Thanks for the reply. I have to post 3 times before I can load a picture but the serial # looks to be 83837 with another 8 for the dimension. I guess its glassed over wood, although it is very light weight. There is one small old repair from where it probably was dropped. Old green color.
    Thanks Chris


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    Consie

    Consie New Member

    Oh, jeeze, I thought you meant is the canoe glassed over. No, not a fiberglass boat. It is an old wooden canoe. Maybe it's canvas under the old paint.
     
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    Consie

    Consie New Member

    Some pix
     

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  6. Benson Gray

    Benson Gray Canoe History Enthusiast Staff Member

    The Old Town canoe with serial number 83837 is an 8 foot long, AA (or top) grade, display model with red western cedar planking, open mahogany gunwales, mahogany decks, mahogany thwarts, mahogany seats, a keel, and a floor rack. It was built between February and March, 1924. The original exterior paint color was green. The shipping destination and date have not been filled in. A scan of this build record can be found by following the link at the attached thumbnail image below.

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    This scan and several hundred thousand more were created with substantial grants from the Wooden Canoe Heritage Association (WCHA) and others. A description of the project to preserve these records is available at http://www.wcha.org/catalogs/old-town/records/ if you want more details. I hope that you will join or renew your membership to the WCHA so that services like this can continue. See http://www.wcha.org/about-wcha to learn more about the WCHA and http://www.wcha.org/store/membership to join.

    It is also possible that you could have another number or manufacturer if this description doesn't match the canoe. Fiberglass will sound very different from canvas if you tap it lightly with your fingernail. Fiberglass will be a much higher pitch like a hard plastic container while canvas will be a dull sound like a stretched canvas on a painting. Fiberglassed models are generally worth less than ones with the original canvas. Feel free to reply if you have any other questions.

    Benson
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2018

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