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1946 Penn Yan 15ft Hunter Canoe

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by jam010148, Feb 19, 2021.

  1. jam010148

    jam010148 Enthusiastic about Wooden Canoes

    Hi All - I am starting a restoration of a 1946 Penn Yan 15 ft hunter canoe and need some parts. There is only one seat (other lost) and it is with a plywood insert instead of cane - correct? I need the bow seat. If you have one and would like to sell it, please let me know. Else, if you can direct me to a source, much appreciated.
    Next, I see Howie listed Penn Yan decals in a 2013 post - Howie, still available? Else, anyone know where I might be able to purchase Penn Yan canoe deck decal ? Lastly, the large phillips brass screws and washers and nuts that attach thwarts and and seats to the gunwales. I need four for the bow seat.
    thanks & have a great day
    joe
     
  2. pklonowski

    pklonowski Unrepentant Canoeist

    The plywood insert is most likely a replacement, after the original cane was torn. If nobody has a seat to sell, you can build a new seat, replicating the profiles of the existing seat.

    For hardware, check out our Builders & Suppliers Directory: https://www.woodencanoe.org/builders-suppliers
    or Hamilton Marine: https://shop.hamiltonmarine.com/
    or Jamestown Distributors: https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/home
    or Rutabaga: https://www.rutabagashop.com/collections/replacement-seats-supports
    or Ed's Canoes: https://www.edscanoe.com/caco.html
    and probably others.

    And post pictures... we like pictures of canoes, in all stages of reconstruction!
     
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  3. Gil Cramer

    Gil Cramer The wooden canoe Shop, Inc.

    The plywood seat insert is original after WWII. You will likely need to build a new seat . The screws are not Phillips, but Reed and Prince or Frearson. The angle is steeper, and a Phillips head will round out the slots VERY quickly. Frearson bits are available from some of the firms Paul listed above. You can use Phillips screws for replacements and nobody will know the difference. Penn Yan Boats sells deck and side decals.
     
  4. MGC

    MGC Scrapmaker

    If you could post the actual screw sizes you require I'll be happy to see if I have them. I believe I have a few pieces of left over Penn Yan bits squirreled away somewhere.
    I'm with Paul regarding those seats. I'm pretty sure they are caned and on the ones I've owned, they are mahogany. If you want to properly replace them you may need to make them from scratch.
    When Howie comes along he will be able to say for sure since he's worked on quite a few Penn Yan canoes.
     
  5. pklonowski

    pklonowski Unrepentant Canoeist

    The WW2 connection is a good point. I suppose the way to tell on the seat is looking from underneath... does it have holes for caning?
     
  6. Dave Osborn

    Dave Osborn LIFE MEMBER

    Correct, lots of Penn Yan seats had a plywood insert instead of cane from the factory. Especially boats.
    As far as the screws, they are known as Reed And Prince or Frearson drive. Gil is correct that a Phillips will work, but I’ve had much better luck with an actual frearson driver bit in the soft brass and bronze. They engage better.
    I often heat the driver with a torch to be sure to get through paint and varnish in the recess.
    I get them from Jamestown Distributors.
     
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    jam010148

    jam010148 Enthusiastic about Wooden Canoes

    Good Morning and thanks to all that responded to my request!
    I found decals at pennyanboats.com - quite expensive but any port in a storm. Also, TJ at Penn Yan Boats is searching for plans for the seat construction. Lastly, I searched and searched but could not find any Reed And Prince bolts except for short ones listed on eBay. For the bow seat, I would imagine that 3 1/2" or 4" bolts would be required to hang the seat properly.
    I will post pictures, hopefully, later today for those that requested and have an interest.
    thank again - if anyone finds or has bolts, please let me know
    have a great day
    joe
     
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    jam010148

    jam010148 Enthusiastic about Wooden Canoes

    Good Morning Again All,
    It looks like the bow seat was attached directly against the gunwale so 2" bolts will work. Attached show some of the damage - one broken rib and a few feet of broken planking - all fixed yesterday:) Overall, the canoe is in great shape. Also, for Howie info, it looks like red mahogany stain almost a perfect match for original stain on inner hull.
    have a great day
    joe
     

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    jam010148

    jam010148 Enthusiastic about Wooden Canoes

    Still need 4 - 2" Reed and Prince flat head bolts with nuts for the bow seat - I searched the internet but only found sizes up to 1 1/2"....any and all help greatly appreciated!

    It looks like from 1944 thru 1946 no cane was used on the seats do to the war. Plywood is correct for a 1946 hunter canoe. Also, mahogany for seats and thwarts was an option to spruce. My seat and thwart are mahogany so, the bow seat will be framed mahogany.

    thanks
    joe
     
  10. Dan Miller

    Dan Miller cranky canoeist Staff Member

    You may have to go with Phillips, which to most folks won't look any different. They are getting hard to get as well, but here is one source (I've never dealt with them): https://www.greenboatstuff.com/sibrmascflhe1.html

    I thought I had some, but the ones I found out in the shop are slotted.
     
  11. MGC

    MGC Scrapmaker

    I have three of the correct 2 inch bolts with nuts...and several 1 3/4. If these will help send me a PM with your address and I'll put them in the mail. The way the postal service is working these days you should receive sometime within the next year.
     
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    jam010148

    jam010148 Enthusiastic about Wooden Canoes

    Thanks Dan
    Thanks MGC (??)

    Scrapmaker,
    The 3 - 2" bolts with nuts will help greatly! Please send to:
    Joe McGinley
    315 Master St
    Pottstown, PA 19464

    Please also let me know what I owe including postage.
    greatly appreciated!!!
    have a great day
    joe
     
  13. MGC

    MGC Scrapmaker

    Joe, I'll put the hardware in the mail for you....FOC.
    I can still afford postage on a few screws and the screws are of no value to me. I don't intend to work on any more PY boats or canoes.
    I'm happy that some of my squirreled away "treasures" are going to do something more that sit in my hardware collection.
    Do you need any square nails?;)
    Mike
     
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    jam010148

    jam010148 Enthusiastic about Wooden Canoes

    Much appreciated Mike!
    I post some pictures when complete.
    joe
     
  15. Howie

    Howie Wooden Canoe Maniac

    Joe - just saw your first note mentioning Penn Yan decals. Yup, I have some - both the Indian type as well as Sailboat. Send me a note if still interested.
    PY Indian Single.jpeg PennYan decal nbr 1 - 600dpi.jpg
     
  16. OP
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    jam010148

    jam010148 Enthusiastic about Wooden Canoes

    Thanks Howie. I located decals at pennyanboats but quite expensive:-( What do you get for the sailboat decal?
    thanks again
    joe
     
  17. Howie

    Howie Wooden Canoe Maniac

    $8 for 2 sound ok? I sell them in pairs because every once in a while I find they have trouble releasing the backing in the hot water.
    These are opaque decal material printed by an ink jet printer. The ink is water soulable so I spray a clear lacquer on top the image to 'fix' it, but you'll need to cover with laquer or varnish once you've placed it on your deck. Sound ok?
     
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    jam010148

    jam010148 Enthusiastic about Wooden Canoes

    A pair of decals would be great. My address is
    Joe McGinley
    315 Master St
    Pottstown, PA 19464
    Please provide your address and I will send out a check.
    have a great evening
    joe
     
  19. Howie

    Howie Wooden Canoe Maniac

    Ok. Howie Jehan, 377 lanning rd, honeoye falls, ny 14472
     
  20. OP
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    jam010148

    jam010148 Enthusiastic about Wooden Canoes

    Thanks Howie - check for $16.00 will be in the snail mail today.
    have a great day - much appreciated
    joe
     

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